Dave Smith Models Excelsior 2000 by Scott Edwards

I like F3A Pattern ships. They go exactly where you tell them, so if any manoeuvre doesn't work its you the pilot - you cant blame the plane! I think that they make excellent skill improvers as they respond so directly to the controls, no funny wobbly business. I am however a very average pilot and I like practical planes that I can bung in the car, fly and then chuck back in the garage.

I have no aspirations toward competition, and have a mortgage, so one of the big fancy French moulded jobs for £4000 from Probuild was just a laugh. I also have a huge liking for those bullet proof Laser engines, and equally bullet proof Fleet Radio, so with a budget of £1000 and a target of a 2 metre, high powered F3A Pattern plane I set off.

There are very very few big pattern ship kits on the market it would seem. Marvic models, and Newman Precision Products have long gone, leaving only Dave Smith Models. I had a DSM Excelsior 188 a few years back with a Laser 150. Very nice it was too, but the power wasn't quite enough and with the tank right behind the engine in-flight variations of CG caused a few trim problems. DSM now make an Excelsior 2000, at 2 Metre span its the biggest of the range, going for £200, sold to me, thank you Mr Smith. Now I needed an engine, and some means of mounting the tank on the CG to eliminate trim variations.

Among the range of Laser Engines is a 240 vee twin, specifically designed for aerobatics and dishing out stonks of power on straight fuel. Unlike the YS aerobatic engines, Lasers have no fuel pump, so still determined to mount the tank on the CG I looked at possible ways around this. The incredibly helpful Neil Tidey of Laser Engines suggested I look at fuel regulators and bladder tanks.

I found a regulator on the web called the 'Cline Proportional Control Fuel System' which is basically a 20 gram marvel that sits between a pressurized tank and the carburettor. By controlling the pressured feed from the tank it feeds the carb with a constant pressure of fuel, regardless of tank position, or model attitude. Their website explains it MUCH better though. I would however need two of these regulators - one for each cylinder of the Vee twin !

There is apparently only one make of big bladder tank in the world - Tettra. A bladder tank is basically a big condom inside a baby bottle. The condom is filled with fuel, and when the tank is pressurized the condom is compressed and pushes fuel out of the top! The advantage of this is that there is no clunk, and no air in the tank, so no burpy half tank misfires, and the tank can be run absolutely dry.

So now I had my shopping list: Excelsior 2000, Laser 240V, pair of Cline regulators and a Tettra bladder tank. The engine was the easy bit and before I knew it I had in my hand an exquisitely finished piece of British engineering. The Excelsior however got lost in the post for six weeks, and damned if I could find anyone in the UK that had any Cline regulators or Tettra tanks. Time to hit that webby thing.

The Cline homepage offers international delivery at $50 a throw, so an email to Ohio had two of these in the post and sure enough the smallest parcel I have ever received plonked on the doormat a few days later. The regulators seemed very solidly made, the theory looked fine and all other bits were supplied, including one-way valves, tee joints and tube plugs.

The only supplier of Tettra bladder tanks in the UK is Probuild, and the 500cc job at £25 a shot was never in stock! I read in a magazine that Chip Hyde the USA F3A Champion is a keen user, so I tracked down his site and he punts them out for $20 a piece. An email to Albuquerque had one on its way. Two days later it arrived in this country and then it took Parcelfarce two weeks to loose it and charge me £11 to find it again, then after that I had to travel 30 miles to collect it from Milton sodding Keynes.

Now I had all the bits I could start to work out how the hell to fit this lot together and came up with he following schema. Please forgive the crap artwork - I hate Microsoft Word:



When looking at the probable installation for the first time I thought shit I'm going to need 10 metres of fuel tube and a plumber! but its actually much simpler and more logical than it looks. The picture below shows the installation from the underneath. The regulators are mounted back to back, and lie between the cylinders and the one way pressure valves actually fit inside the exhaust pressure tube.

On the left hand side of the fuselage (top of picture) there are three tubes, from front to back they are, fuel filler, fuel overflow and exhaust pressure. All are blocked in flight, and all opened to fuel up.

Picture 1



Another decision I made was to mount the engine using thick aluminium columns. The engine mounting bolts go from the inside of the firewall, through the columns and then through the engine backplate. This is different from the usual approach of mounting Laser Vee engines onto a thick plank of wood, and frees up the area behind the engine to pass tubes, glow plug wires and wotnot.

The construction of the airframe was quite trying. The Excelsior is not the worst of kits, but it aint the best either. Even though the fuselage is pre-built, there is a lot of work involved in building it into an accurate plane. After I had already completed quite a bit of the fuselage I noticed it was twisted, and had to split the rear end to re-set it. The wing can fit into the fuselage cutout with about 20mm of fore and aft movement altering the incidence as you go. There is also no distinct datum line to work on either, so quite what the wing incidence is involves some guesswork. The instructions are normal British cottage industry style, you know, fit the tail into the fuselage, install the radio gear and good luck to you old chap.

Talking of the wing, I measured the total span and it was 1840mm, over 6 inches shorter than the 2 metre wingspan advertised by DSM. I contacted DSM on this point and a super chap called Sandy told me that it was a '2 Metre' model as it fitted within the FAI regulation 2 Metre box. I'm sure this is great news for Christophe Peasant Le Roux, as that means he can enter my old Wot 4 in next years championships as that too fits inside the FAI 2 Meter box.

The wing seemed acceptably well made and has two full-span carbon fibre spars top and bottom, you could probably balance a Rhino on the finished item. I replaced quite a bit of the balsa strip as the supplied stuff was bent, and used much thinner stuff for the rear fuselage stringers and bottom cover. As the thing is designed for a YS 140, quite a bit of modification is required for a Laser 240V. I shortened the nose by 25mm and as there is no underwing exhaust, I extended F1 & F2 to but up to the cowling. Also the underbelly thing that goes under the wing has to be scratch built and looks like a toy boat.



As you can see, its a big old thing, and that's a super king size bed its on as well.

The radio gear was the best Fleet had to offer, PCM Receiver, and metal gear servos all round. The rudder servo was a high torque job, knocking out 7Kg. Each elevator has a micro servo embedded into each tailplane half, giving very short direct control. The 1500ma NMH battery is under an access hatch as far back as it will go. Also, being a lazy sod I fitted a remote charge lead and remote glow setup.

Firing up the engine for the first time was always going to be interesting, would all that plumbing work ? Could the pressure system take both exhausts? and nobody I knew had used one regulator before, let alone two. As per normal with running in a new engine, I put my car on the drive, and with the plane in the garage tethered it to the car.

A twelve volt battery and hi-torque starter struggles to turn the engine over but on the fourth attempt off it went. After allowing it to warm up and gently get through a tankfull, I let it cool and ran it up again. I gradually increased the gas up to full power and noticed that the plane was remarkably vibration free. This was in contrast to the brick garage which looked like it was going through a major earthquake. I also noticed that the plane was moving forwards at a slow but increasing speed - the thing was pulling my bloody car along the driveway. It was definitely time to go flying.

The plane has now had four outings, and about a dozen flights. Its smooth, responsive, does exactly what you tell it, and its very very fast. Vertical performance is positively scary, from a tail slide it will accelerate vertically out of sight in a few seconds. Half throttle is all that is needed for most of the flight. I'm still tinkering with all sorts of trimming settings, and haven't even begun to come anywhere near its limits yet, and quite probably never will.

And what about all that plumbing? It works perfectly! Any throttle position, any speed any attitude, straight up or straight down you get a constant bubble-free supply of fuel right down to the last cc in the tank.

Interesting statistics...

Actual measurements of the finished plane.

Length: 1970mm (shortened by 25mm)
Wingspan: 1840 mm
Wing root: 475 mm
Wing tip: 220 mm
Wing Area: 62.5 dm2
Total Weight: 4800g
Wing Loading: 77 g/dm2

How much did it cost ?

Here's the full breakdown - you don't see this very often do you?

Kit: £207
Engine: £495
Cline Regulators: £70
Tank: £15
PCM MX7 Rx: £55
Aileron Servos 225MGB X 2 £54
Elevator Servos 81MG X 2 £42
Rudder Servo 645MGB £34
Throttle Servo 17B £14
1500ma NMH Rx Nicad £15
Extension leads, Y lead, switch £29
Prop (APC 16X12) £12
Covering (Profilm) £32
Trim (estimate) £15
Glue & Paint (estimate) £15
Odds n sods £40

TOTAL: £1,144


So there you go, I'm over a grand worse off, but I have a great plane, I've printed and laminated the FAI standard schedule, and no longer have any excuse for being a crap pilot.

Useful Links...

Fleet Radio control: www.digifleet.co.uk
Cline Regulators: www.billsroom.com
Dave Smith Models: www.davesmithmodels.com
Laser engines: www.laserengines.com
Buzzard Flying Club: members.tripod.co.uk/Buzzards


Article by Scott Edwards from Buzzard MFC
December 4th 2001


Comments left by others...
Comment by Nial on 00000000000000. Rating none

I was interested in your Excelsior review as I have just started work on the Dave Smith Models Smartmove. I know you had some problems with the quality of the kit but if you really want BAD then buy an Excelsior! The vaneer on the wing was so bad that I ended up glassing the wing with 17g weave just to stabalise it. The odd bits of balsa sent with the kit have been roughly marked out with a Biro and then bitten out I think. Although the fuz is jig built the wing was 25 mm higher on one side when fitted in the wing seat and the wing dowel hole positioned were probably guessed and then made with a sharp nail! My friend had an Excelsior kit but the wings were so badly built that he asked Dave Smith to change them. Dave Smiths reaction was to call him a 'PRAT' and refused to change the wing. My friend returned the kit for a refund but was told that the kit was damaged in transit so no refund could be made. Dave Smith replaced the kit and we had a ceremonial stamping :0) BE WARNED! Personally I have never before bought a 'kit' so badly put together. Oh yes, and here is a tip to other manufacturers on how to get rid of all of that workshop rubbish .... put it all in the kit box and send it to the customer disguised as packing! Very, very amaturish. I could go on ... Instructions? what instructions! There is no mention of many of the parts in the 'instructions'! Sorry, I have finished. Regards Nial

Comment by Nial on 00000000000000. Rating none

"if you really want BAD then buy an Excelsior!" - Sorry, I meant Smartmove.

Comment by paul bellingham on 00000000000000. Rating none

i now have a dsm smartmove and before that i had a saphir also from dsm. I think they are great kits and fly like they are on rails!!!! i recently had an os61 sf 2st in my smartmove but found it didnt have the power that i craved. I emailed Sandy at dsm whilst i was out in the gulf (at war) and he helped me out so much with advice and now im the proud owner of an os 91 surpass 4st. As yet i havent fitted it as im not due into the u.k for a couple of days but watch this space. As for the standard of kit i think they are first class and maybe some people have just been unlucky. I will tell you all later how i got on with the OS91.

Comment by Trevor on 00000000000000. Rating none

I've had an Excelsior 150 for a few years now, and it was brilliant value at £60 from Sandown. No complaints about the quality, it flies well (although I have no interest in competition, it's just used as a sport model). Mine has a Laser 75 and could do with more power for the vertical stuff. Despite all that's good about the model, though, it's convinced me that pattern ships aren't for me - they don't look like full-size aircraft and the fuselages are so long they are a pain to transport and store.

Comment by Steve Burchell on 00000000000000. Rating 4

I'm now on my 2nd Excelsior 150 and think that for around £65 they are great value. The two kits that I have built have both been of acceptable quality, OK the building instructions are not that good but, this is not a first time buyers model. I find that they fly exceptionally well being very smoothe and will do far more manovers than I am capable of. My set up comprises: - OS46FX with Just Engines tuned pipe turning an APC 11 x 7 this gives a fairly powerful yet quiet model.

Comment by Mike Deans on 00000000000000. Rating none

The Cline fuel regulators can be bought from Just Engines.

Comment by Merv on 00000000000000. Rating none

I too am currently building a DSM Smart Move. I have to agree that the quality of materials and the accuracy of the parts (mine have been bitten out as well) are a bit doubtful. It seems such a shame as it would only increase the cost of the models by a very small amount to improve these areas and have every model flyer in the land RAVING about these models.

Comment by Walter Wood on 20050118193942. Rating 5

I had a Dalotel from DSM some years ago, wonderfull. Last year I bought a Smartmove, it went together so well I couldnt believe it. With an ASP 80fs it is very smooth, just enough power to enable us to enjoy ourselves. I bought a Smartmove ex just before Christmas, I intend fitting either an ASP 108, or 120fs, I have nothing but praise for DSM Regards Walter

Comment by Terry Bird on 20050831092158. Rating 4

I have had an Excelsior it flew on rails, I replaced the tail with tailplane with .5mm sheet the 7/8mm supplied was of wardrobe quality, it balanced perfectly with a ringed Super Tigre 61. I am building a Smartmove its right about the wings, the veneer falls of, I spent days sticking filling skining with glass cloth repainting, the plane now weighs a ton, I phone DS many times but there was no answer. The instructions are poor and the quality is iffy but all things taken into consideration, price flying performance etc. the kits aint bad. I will let you know how the Smart move flys

Comment by Dave on 20060122203343. Rating 1

Glad i read your comments,dont think i will bother now buying a Excelsior just incase i end up with a dodgy one.

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